Episode 02: Gabriel Lear on Plato on Poetry

August 3, 2009

What we mean by poetry(1)
Effect of poetry(4)
Example(1)
  • Example:

    • First you are Homer narrating, then you are Achilles, then you are Helen, etc.

    • We come to enjoy being many people by being exposed to this.

Poetry and pleasure(1)
  • Poets were master entertainers, aiming at producing pleasure

  • Pleasure should be a means to an aim (directs one towards satisfying one’s identity), but pleasure as the goal is not genuine (meaningless pleasure, which is our modern conception of pleasure)

  • For Plato, then, pleasures can be false, and poets do not provide genuine pleasure.

  • By aiming at appearances, the thing the poet aims for cannot serve as a genine telos.

  • A shoemaker does not have to constantly vary his output to stay satisfied, but the poet has to keep changing is stories to keep people interested, because his pleasure is fleeting / they’re not actually satisfying (only seeming to satisfy us).

  • The difference between going to the gym with the intention of becoming strong vs the intention of going to the gym just to feel like one is a gym person.

Can we relate to modern society?(1)